If you are still talking about Palin, Do you not want to Win?

Slowly the CW is spreading, but it is a bit sad that people haven't taken the cue from Obama.

when asked about Palin what did he do? well as MSNBC: noted

Obama and his surrogates have repeatedly argued that McCain does not understand the economy in general and that the Republican convention this week was ignoring economic issues. The senator has been saying for weeks that he is best-suited to tackle the problems hardworking families are facing.

exactly they put it back to Obama vs. McCain.

we play into McCain's hands when blogs use front page posts about Palin. I think we did our job the press and the public know there are questionsto ask about Palin. Time for us to get back to our main job.

When we are focusing on Palin, that means we are not talking about McCain, the media will focus on Palin we can't stop that, but if everyone is on Palin McCain can get away with calling himself a maverick. Every diary you post about Palin is a wasted chance to make sure that the message McCain is Bush's third term is lost.

people don't vote for the VP choice, and its starting to show in polls, people are saying the VP pick is not going to effect their decision, so lets move on, we cannot allow McCain to rebrand himself. He cannot be allowed to pretend he is still a maverick.

Blogs have an important role in the Media in this age, if enough blogs are talking about 1 thing, then more highly read blogs, say politico, and such will also pick it up, and soon their friends in MSM pick it up.

BTD is right:

One of my major frustrations with the tack taken by Obama supporters in the blogs and the Media last week (the obsession with Sarah Palin, both on issues and the personal) was that it lost the most important political narrative coming out of the Democratic Convention - that John McCain represents George Bush's Third Term. To its credit, the Obama campaign fought hard to keep that narrative going, not getting caught in the Palin cul-de-sac.

Do we really want the Public talking about Palin, or do we want them talking about how McCain's speech offers no difference's from Bush? they WANT us talking about Palin, they want this to be a circus because then people will forget that McCain is running on Bush's policies, do not let this work.

everywhere you blog, everywhere you go, when you talk to people, say sure Palin is nice, but she is NOT on the top of the ticket , McCain is, and do you really want 4 years of the same?

join me and lets get the Country back to the most important question, Does John McCain represent a change from the past 8 years? and with someone who think's Bush was right 90% of the time, do we really want to take a 10% chance on change?

but that's just my opinion, whats yours?



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It's not like McCain's done anything big lately (2.00 / 0)

He certainly didn't, I don't know, accept his party's nomination for the presidential election last night or anything.

Honestly they don't want us talking about his green screen speech last night because it was boring as hell and was essentially a substance free series of lies about Obama and promoting of the John McCain personality cult.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

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by Dracomicron on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:32:27 AM EST

Re: It's not like McCain's (none / 0)

"but that's just my opinion, whats yours?"

My opinion is that this diary is about four days too late, unfortunately.

Recc'd.


Killing me softly with his song
by Miles Outlandish on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:14:30 PM EST
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Do you not want to Win? (none / 0)

Yep, sadly there are those who just cannot get off the subject and attempt to keep her front page. Even going so far as to abuse ratings and screaming at those of us who want to focus on the real issues.


by zerosumgame on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:47:46 AM EST

Re: Do you want to win? (none / 0)

Do you?

Like it or not, Palin is front page news. You can either let the Republicans define her, and consequently John McCain's judgement capacity, or we can find out the truth and publicize it. Obama is smart to not go directly after Palin, but he's counting on the press, and us, to do it for him. Like it or not she is a factor in this race. She is going to steal votes from Obama in certain demographics, UNLESS her true self instead of the pretty picture McCain wants to be publicized is revealed.

So ya, we should be talking about issues, but we'd BETTER be countering the Palin propaganda, and big time.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:59:15 AM EST

Re: Do you want to win? (2.00 / 1)

it has be a balance. Yes attack her stupid views on abstinece only by showing what a failure it by her daughter, but do not go after the daughter (which has already happened, not so much here as in LTTE and opinion hit pieces) simply for being, well, a teenager getting pregnant. Go after Sarah's unIntellegent Design BS, but not her religion. it is very very important to focus on issues (IMHO anyway) and leave the sexist and other crap to the repukes who love that so much.

I am not saying YOU did any of that, just that we need to keep an eye on folks who habitually do.


by zerosumgame on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:51:21 PM EST
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Re: Do you want to win? (none / 0)

counter it for what?

people NATURALLY want to know things about her, thus the McCain campaign hiding her away only hurts them, because everything she speaks they will think "great but when will you give real answers?"

people play into their hands with this, ignore her people are voting for the top of the ticket, and the issues don't go away just because they want them too.

people have real questions for her and them hiding her away only hurts them.  But if we are seen as attacking it only hurts us, so yes the conversation should be shift to Obama vs. McCain but that doesn't mean people shouldn't still have questions.

just ask them of the McCain, in the end how does he represent a change from Bush? what are his policies? where does he plan to take this country?

THAT should be the discussion.


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:59:56 PM EST
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Meh. (none / 0)

I don't see my comments and ratings here as having any effect on what's talked about in the papers or on TV.  That's determined by an unholy combination of Drudge, the Times, the Post, and the yak show regulars.

The ongoing Palin train wreck is more fun to watch and discuss than McCain's long-discussed-to-death shortcomings.  You guys are welcome to adopt some talking points and repeat them in the hope that more people start repeating them, but that's both useless and boring, so I won't be joining you.


I am not a crook!
by username on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:05:23 PM EST

Palin is a thug (2.00 / 0)

make no mistake. She has no shred of humanity. I have read enough and heard enough about her to know that she will turn the knife in you while keeping the appearance of the Alaskan "hockey-mom". Right now Rasmussen reports she is more popular than more candidates. She is now being sequestered by the GOP so it is up to us to unmask her thuggishness, strip the facade of the compassionate reformer and let the American people know who she really is. I mean she mocked Obama's community service when he was 23 when at the same time she was a friggin' sportscaster.


by tarheel74 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:27:00 PM EST

Do you not want to Win? (none / 0)

Thanks for this diary. I agree. Democrats need to be defining the issues that this election is about and running our own race. Getting caught up in everything the other side does will do nothing to sell our ticket.

As the saying goes, "There's is no such thing as bad publicity", and too many Dems are giving the GOP tons of free publicity.


by LakersFan on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:35:31 PM EST

Re: If you are still talking about Palin, Do you n (none / 0)

Couple of simple observations

1)  Bush isn't running for a third term.  McCain is actually a different person and even if some people don't recognize this enough of the voters will that trying to claim they are clones is not effective.

2)  To the degree that FUTURE policies would be identical to Bush policies that have failed this is an effective attack but it should rest on the individual policies and the Obama policy that is better.  This is a details fight and so far Obama is not very good at details fights.

3)  Attacking Palin as someone people shouldn't accept as SAME with them is unwise when you are running a candidate who already has his own ethnic group sown up 90% and relies heavily on ethnic groups that are not SAME with him.  Likewise if you are running a candidate who has quotes regarding working class people as "bitter" or religious folk as "clinging to religion" and yet relies on these groups that probably don't see this ivy league lawyer as SAME with them.  "Our candidate is SAME with you and the other candidate isn't" is not a winning strategy given McCain's VP pick.

If Obama want's to win he needs to do the following

1)  enforce that we are in tough times.
2)  show that he has a well thought out strategy to get us out that is better than McCain.

3)  enforce that we need change
4)  Detail how change with Obama is better than change with McCain because of detail X, Y, Z

The odd numbers are easy sells

The even numbers have been hard sells or haven't been tried which is why this is a close election.


by dtaylor2 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:13:36 PM EST

i agree.] wholeheartedly. (none / 0)

don't you think its strange that on blogs that there has been more palin diaries in the past week than on mccain in the past 2 months?  something is v. v. wrong with that.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:49:27 PM EST


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